and we heard michelle obama talking about student loans and you have to be propped up to get back in the game. and republicans have a different view on the role of government. and this is striking how different they are. >> and and in this situation, i thought the message is that government is not a theme. >> that is right. you have a challenge there are government scandals and gsa and others, fast and furious darrell issa is investigating. and there is obama making the case, we'll listen. government has a role ask can help people. i can't. that is the message he said. i will embrace obama care. it show that's i care. republicans saying we can get a big speech. let's hear results. that is what is going to be, i think the focus in october. >> it's interesting how this republicans have backed democrats in this particular issue. is that where the democrats have to defend the government. >> yes. >> they, so every thing that ever happened to you by the government is that always now, it's like, you know, you're supposed to like the government. it's sort of a, it's a rather unfortunate poli